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  ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  2. child-abuse

  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

  (published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

  thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

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  Why do you think appeals courts exist? I am fed up with the mentality on this site. Victims of sexual abuse should sue. I am troubled by the elastic statute of limitations and the orgy of personal injury lawyers willing to swoop down. This claim could have been brought in a more timely manner. I don't have any answers for nagging societal problems. I do know that anyone can file a lawsuit. The merits are not addressed. Default judgments are scary b/c the merits are not argued. I will always stand by education and experience. Others are free to disagree. It does not make you right. Honestly, there are no right sides in this mess.
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  ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

  (published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

  thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

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  This is not an area in which I want to get involved, esp. when members here routinely post mere court filings. No one has been found liable or guilty. Proof has not been offered. Anyone, regardless of merit, can file a complaint. I have higher standards. No, I will not read court documents. I can surmise plenty. My training as a lawyer is stronger than my antiWitness bias. I suggest you are unable to understand the proceedings.
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  Why I Am An Angry Atheist

  by Joe Grundy in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  why i am an angry atheist.

  (i never was a jw, but the basics were not so different).. .

  i was brought up (raised, for my us friends) in an off-shoot of the plymouth brethren gospel hall culture.

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  The late 1800s were a time of the founding of many wacko religions. I expect their were cultural, social, and economic forces for this trend. Why the United States is such a haven of ignorant "Bible" learning stumps me but we always have been. I don't know if people know that their doctrines are false. It is a question I've constantly raised about the Witness leaders since I was a child. School teachers were more trustworthy than the Witness crowd. Outsiders can see clearly. Denial is a strong force. I speak from personal and institutional perspective. People may honestly believe. To quote a book on mothers and incest (almost 90% of mothers know or should know that their daughters are being raped. Houses are small), a flashing neon sign is broadcasting the truth.
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  ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

  (published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

  thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

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  RE: Not showing up for routine discovery. Older people may remember Watergate and the "secret" recorded tapes of all Nixon's White House conversations. I recall that a Senate hearing into the Watergate burglaries proceeded. There was no compelling evidence implicating Nixon in "high crimes and misdemeanors." The Senators and their staff had no knowledge of the recording system. A WH administrator, called Butterfield, was called before the committee. The hearings were dragging. People were losing interesting. One of the legal counsel asked a question, not knowing the answer. The Witness answered truthfully. The recordings were produced with 18 1/2 minutes suddenly missing from a crucial conversation. President Nixon blamed his secretary The most right wing Republican officials told Nixon he must resign. He resigned while impeachment proceedings proceeded. President Ford pardoned Pres. Nixon for criminal conduct. If I were innocent, I would not accept a presidential pardon. His key officials, including the Attorney-General of the United States, John Mitchell, the nation's top law enforcement officer, went to federal prison. The cover-up is worse than the original crime.

  The situation was so bad that the special prosecutors were fired. We had a few attorney generals in quick succession.
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  Today's watchtower. Why no emphasis on doctrine?

  by kneehighmiah in

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  i believe the jws are morphing into a mainstream social religious group.

  we've long been taught we had the truth due to our suoerior doctrine.

  it appears that the gb knows that their teachings are ludicrous and indefensible.

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  I only know my own experience. When I attend mainstream churches, even Roman Catholic ones, the Bible is studied from the Bible itself. This is different from studying the WT. Also, in these church Bible studies, scripture is read in consecutive verses. The Witnesses jump all over the place. There is no place for reform in JW culture. The Mormon church has crazier ideas but its culture has apologized for excluding black people. Roman Catholics upset about the glut of pedophiles in the clergy can seek redress from the Vatican and even file suit against the church. A narrow, limited culture hems the Witnesses to Franz' doctrines.
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  This week's CHEATERS episode. 'The Watchtower Society'.

  by LogCon in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this weeks cheaters episode-.

  watchtower bible and tract society age 140 years, in a spiritual relationship with the other sheep class, suspected of satisfying its needs with another organization.. cheaters detectives come prepared to catch a cheater.

  after setting up surveillance and gathering evidence, our detectives make a telephone call to the united nations headquarters in new york city.

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  My eyes popped out when I read about the WTBTS NGO status with the UN. If I am correct, they also have NGO status with the European Union. Regular Witnesses will not believe it no matter the documentation. Their neutrality position is heavily compromised. One set of doctrinal rules for Mexico and another for Malawi Witnesses. As a child, I heard so much garbage about the evil UN. When my family toured the UN headquarters repeatedly, I expected lightning bolts from Jehovah to kill us. I am still alive. The UN is involved in works that the Witnesses reject. Jesus said to shelter children, feed the poor, and shelter the homeless. Blessed are the peacemakers. UN agencies do this work in a secular fashion. I purchased UNICEF Christmas cards to support the work Jesus commanded that the Witnesses do not do. The Witnesses do not do it for themselves. Love one another as I have loved you. The Witnesses do not feed themselves, let alone the multitudes.

  They reject civil authority, a position contrary to Jesus' express sayings in the gospels. Not showing up for a civil deposition is disobeying Jesus' clear commands. As a taxpayer, I say that they should not use public sidewalks, highways, call paramedics, enjoy parks. Let them build an infrastructure and civilization. If you are too disabled to work, you are too disabled to knock on doors.

  Their stance is hypocritical. Such organizations, though, could be a mediating influence on the Witnesses.
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  ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

  (published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

  thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

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  No! If you want me to read legal documents, pay me legal fees. I am tired of explaining the legal process and providing legal information. So, so tired. As one lawyer on this forum said to me long ago, make them pay fees. Every law suit filed, especially alleging sexual abuse, does not have merit. Testimony at trial is a better measure of truthfulness. Appellate courts do not review facts a jury or trial judge reached b/c the experience in the courtroom tends to lead to truthfulness. And, may I ask, what have the nonlawyers done with the information? It is not accurately reported. If I specialized in an area, I would learn the basics. No one is suggesting extensive legal knowledge. There are a host of websites providing free legal information. The information imparted here is biased. I have yet to read a neutral, factual summary. Yes, the Andersons are guilty of not providing crucial information and using newspapers whose reporters never did a Google search of basic legal terms. Your better newspapers do report accurately and the reporters are not lawyers.

  A balance is needed. IF the WT has/had a secret database so they had notice of pedophiles in KHs, throw the book at them. No statutory duty to report sexual abuse existed at the time of these incidents. Personal injury lawyers receive a one third fee of the damages. Perhaps a common law duty to protect children existed at common law. I don't know. It would take weeks to research CA law. There is no compelling reason for me to research CA law. Grow up! Sophistication is not evil. If normal, prudent businessmen ran the WT, the "two witness rule" would be dropped with New Light. These are the men who endorsed the blood doctrine, shunning of family members that leads to great despair and often suicide. The GB chose to quote a Nazi theologian convicted at the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunals recently. Women are subjugated to men. Domestic violence is encouraged by the story of Selma and Steve in the WT. Steve beats Selma. The WT advice is that Selma must be obedient. These men clinch the story by relating that Steve converts to JWism after 15 years. The pressing issue of whether he stopped beating his wife was never addressed. I don't believe real life Steves stop beating their wives

  It is unlikely that the WT will cave b/c of this trial court decision. I expect an appeals court to intervene. Unless there is substantial WT involvement, I believe it is wrong to impose liability on organizations. The WT would be far more intrusive if they administered tests for pedophilia. Roman Catholicism has a completely different structure. I expect hate posts. The ignorance will pile on. I am not raising any issues that are not already in the court papers and will be argued on appeal. Knowing the WT, however, and the no show for deposition makes one wonder what it is hidden. I am not on the WT's side. Education and experience are resources that should not be squandered.
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  ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  2. child-abuse

  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

  (published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

  thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

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  This forum is NOT real life. I have no duty to read legal documents. The issue of notice to WTBTS is pending in the Conti appeal. I'm not checking but I believe both Conti and this case happened before CA's legislature enacted a mandatory reporting law for clergy. The WTBTS can argue that it had no notice that its behavior would subject it to liability. We don't pass laws in the United States making past conduct that was lawful at the time unlawful. Larger issues than the WTBTs are at stake.

  .Unless the legal department had actual notice and counseled Witness elders to ignore the pedophile behavior, I feel it is unfair to impose liability on the WT. The link to individuals to WTBTS is tenuous. It becomes confusing b/c the Witnesses are in their own world so it is hard to compare to other religions. I did defense work for corporations so I admit bias. Fundamentally, I just don't see how you ignore a discovery order. There was massive litigation years ago in the Kodak case. A partner in a very prominent law firm took a few documents home and did not produce them. He had guilt pains and confessed to his partners immediately before trial. It was a big scandal. The legal system cannot work unless you produce yourself and documents. The days of surprise at a trial as in the Perry Mason television show are over. For younger people, Perry Mason was a television series where Perry one every case he handled. The audience demanded that he lose a single case. Bad people always lied on the witness stand but Perry "broke" them on cross-examination and they confessed.
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  ALERT: NEW LAWSUIT settlement - $13 MILLION

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/135m-awarded-to-bible-teacher-gonzalo-campos-alleged-abuse-victim-jose-lopez-281031832.html.

  (published thursday, oct 30, 2014).

  thursday, oct 30, 2014 updated at 11:58 pm pdt.

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  I read a UPI report concerning this case. As in Conti's case, the WT had notice. I wonder if the reason GB members did not comply with the discovery orders was to avoid disclosure of a database of pedophiles.
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  Please,I need non-"apostate" info./sites for my exit case on following topics

  by Kensho in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i'm preparing for my exit after 4 years of de-programming myself from the cult (much help from here..thank you) been fading for as long as i can to keep decades of family and friends, but the moment the "real truth" is arriving soon.. i desire to make an intelligent defense for my actions and of course will never get to first base using any resource material that will shut down the process by my blind brothers and family members.. i have collected some resources on my own, but would appreciate help in the following.. 1) child abuse.

  2) ngo un docs.

  3) follow the money any public records of what the borg spends or invest our money on.

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  You were investigating Edward Snowden's documents borrowed from his former job.